The best machines

mystry_tour · Post by **mystry_tour** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:30 am

give me the size of the collars and I might be able to have some made....not makeing any promises but I just might be able to

dadude · Post by **dadude** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:18 pm

crzypete wrote:I have been searching the internet for pics of the martin T-17 but have come up empty handed, anyone have one they can post?

For jointers I am a huge fan of the Oliver 166 series- my preference of width is the twenty.

pete

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/ ... t_1957.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/ ... tinT17.jpg

and for your viewing pleasure the T75
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/ ... 751971.jpg

thouser · Post by **thouser** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:38 pm

Well your picture helped me. I have been looking at a Martin via the Internet. I now know it's a T-17E from your picture. Other than it's a Martin why do you like it (there is no bad Martin machinery) ? Looks like $1700 would put it at my door.

dadude · Post by **dadude** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:47 pm

where do i start, every bit of the saw will continue to make you happy and happier the longer you use it, i actually have an altendorf f45, have the need for a long stroke slider, the t75 is not my favorite long stroke machine, but the t17 is the nuts, just have not found one for the right price, for 1700 you should be all over it, they usally bring 3-5k

thouser · Post by **thouser** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:59 pm

OK nobody has brought up shapers and this is where I have made the most constant income during my woodworking career. My favorites would be

1. Bauerle TS
2. Oliver 287
3. CO Porter 203

dadude · Post by **dadude** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:04 am

can you post a pic of the bauerle? wadkin made some quality shapers, i had a porter some yrs back

mystry_tour · Post by **mystry_tour** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:21 am

ok ...now i'm not really up on the shaper but I got a fay-n-Egan 552 lightning and it is pretty nice.....

thouser · Post by **thouser** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:26 am

Had a pic on file of a Bauerle and it was easier to post than going out to the shop

http://www.thouser.com/temp2.html

my Wadkin EQ is right up there but Oliver and Porter have the best bearing assembly. Have you priced ABEC 7 bearings lately.

mystry_tour · Post by **mystry_tour** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:40 am

wow.....now thats a shaper....

dadude · Post by **dadude** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:37 am

stocky little beotch, that bauerle, german?

thouser · Post by **thouser** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:52 am

But of course

thouser · Post by **thouser** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:06 pm

Ok because of there rarity I forgot to list the mother of all tilting spindle shapers. The Orton manufactured in S.F. CA . To put things in perspective the top is 40" x 60" and the bearings are pressure fed lubrication. I posted on the Bauerle page.

http://www.thouser.com/temp2.html

thouser · Post by **thouser** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:10 pm

mystry_tour I was my no means looking down on the F&E 552. It is truly up there with the best and at one point I did own one. Your going to be one happy camper with it.

mystry_tour · Post by **mystry_tour** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:42 pm

oh.....thats fine tom there nothing taken i know there's lots of items that are much better than other things I was just museing....thats the reason I visit these fourms it to se what ther is out there from ppl like yourself that have used them and plane for my next procurment......

dadude · Post by **dadude** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:31 am

tell me about the orton, that's a new one on me? do you own one thom?

thouser · Post by **thouser** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:07 am

One would find Orton shapers in 2 places

1. Shipyards where I have seen them with 12" tall cutter heads. I will dig up a photo.

2. They were favored by the aircraft industry for work on aluminum. Some ran 20,000 RPM

There shaper was the woodworking equivalent of a metal working machine. Like all Orton machines they were built as solid as a rock. Just don't have the space for one anymore.

dadude · Post by **dadude** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:24 am

thanks thom, the porter i had was a high speed alu cutting machine, i was clueless at the time as to why one would want the cutter head of a shaper to run at such a speed, true confession... i actually with the help of a machinst (it had a stub spindle with a collet) fabricate a new spindle and drive pulley at much expence, if i new then what i know now, looking forward further pics of the orton, does this site have a way to archive some of this stuff?

mystry_tour · Post by **mystry_tour** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:27 pm

dose anyone have a use for and use a overharm pin router. I was thinking about a few things today and ......welllll......what is a good mid size one and is it something that would be usefull for a small scale production shop...

thouser · Post by **thouser** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:02 pm

Pin routers are another one of those machines that sit in a corner until you need it, then you remember why you have it. Great for blind cutouts, odd curved moldings, inlay work and dozens of other things. It's nice to have a 2 speed model 10,000/20,000 RPM so you can slow it down with big cutters. I buy HSS router blanks and grind my own detail .

thouser · Post by **thouser** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:16 pm

Oh and because of inverted and CNC routers pin routers are worth almost nothing. You will see them up for $300 with no takers. Onsrud has always been on of the better machines and in there last years had a Japanese Co. named Shoda make there machines which were really top notch IMHO. Like a good shaper they use ABEC 7 bearings so that can set you back $150 to $450 per bearing.