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Lifting and moving

Post by mr douglas t »

I would like to start a thread of stories about lifting and moving machines. I only wish I had more photos. Below is a jointer that Dadude started with. It then went to Crzypetes. It then went to a wedding. At the wedding it was moved into another truck while in the hotel parking lot. It than lived in Maryland for a while. Here it is being loaded into the truck for its move to MA. Note the the ever handy crown, holding one end while the forklift got into another position. The problem was, how do you load an 8'4" machine into a 8' wide truck?

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This is going to be one of those threads with a lot of pictures :wink:

I found some more pics of that same jointer. These are the "wedding exchange" portion of the journey.

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Within a month or so of the wedding, we had to move guzziguy out of philly.

Dadudes trailer got another workout. This is the load that twisted my truck so badly it cracked my windshield- there was a tad too much tongue weight, and It was half on a curb. We had to reload it the next morning to get the balance a bit better.

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Post by dadude »

i like these threads, now i know how my trailer got bent! :lol: wasn't that vidmar on the trailer when you borrowed it? that's were it went
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I thought we bent it here.

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thanks crzy, was looking for that shot as we post
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Post by klavelle72 »

This is my most recent machine purchase and move. I posted it on the owwm forum a few days ago, but it would go nicely in this thread.

I'll give you a recount of the removal of the S. K. Lovewell drum sander from Nelson's Canton Dungeon. My son and I arrived at Canton Dungeon
about noon on Saturday after an eventful drive that included a flat
tire. I looked around quite a bit at the sagging first floor,
collapsed section of first and second floor, and sagging sections
of second floor before I felt the place wasn't going to fall in on
my head. The downstairs was reminiscent of my days cleaning up
brick in the rooms under the furnace of the steelmill, except with
less light. The seller, Gene Nelson, had hooked a light to
his car through an inverter, which helped quite a bit, but it was
still like walking in twilight. The place was surreal, On the one
end, the machines tipped over in a pile, rusty tablesaws holding up
debris in the center, water dripping down. Fortunately my sander
was in the driest spot, and the hole in the floor from an old vent
above my head let some natural light in. I took a number of pics of
the whole place before getting quickly to work. My son handed
down tools through the vent hole. I began the disassembly of the
machine, starting with removal of the 2 pullies and 15 gears, heavy
solid steel feed rolls, sanding drum, countershaft, and finally the
main frame. Sounds fast, but it took 5 hours with 2 types of gear
pullers, penetrating oil, hammers, prybars, and a propane torch. I
handed the smaller and lighter pieces up through the
hole to my son, and carried the heavier ones up the dark stairs.
Gene helped carry some of the heavier pieces. Finally, exhausted,
we headed for home.

Here are the pics of my machine:

http://www.owwm.com/PhotoIndex/detail.asp?ID=4219

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Post by crzypete »

Great story Eric, and yet another weirdo machine in your collection.

It looks like I am the keeper of a lot of the moving pics through the years.

These pics date back prior to the advent of the digital camera, back to the days when we were shooting black and white polaroids, and the dust bowl depression was sweeping the country......

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Post by dadude »

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how did the oliver jointer get to pete from me? or did he pic it up, that machine is well traveled
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got a call from crzypete about a cold press available for the moving in ellenville ny built for sno board mfg, foot print was 4.5'x 9' and no shortage of idle steel, we were able to use (2) pallet jacks to move the beast into a waiting box truck (the dock hgt was perfect until the press entered the truck) with a suprising lack of problems i was on my way back to my shop with my new press. Once back (now alone) the task of unloading was becoming sketchy at best, fortunately we left front pallet jack under press (we had no choice) i was able to reach in truck from rear with my forklift and pull the press out of the truck about 3/4 's exposed, what now? i placed my crownlift (walk behind) on one side and my bobcat with forks on the other and was just barely able to lift enough to pull truck out, now i am faced with (3) hyrdralic levers to operate in seperate locations to lower machine to shop floor, i went from lever to lever a little at a time, actually the bobact and forklift had similar hydralic fade that helped the process, thinking back... oh boy :oops:
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As I recall, it was my pallet jack that got trapped behind the press and stuck in the truck, and you absconded with it back north. Guess I stole your trailer enough times to deserve it :wink:


The jointer came down from Brads via Brads trailer and van, and was left in my driveway, I don't even think I was around. Nico and i managed to rotate it 90 degrees and maneuver it into my truck from the trailer- no forklift, just the crown and our stupid heads. it was then slid truck to truck the morning after the wedding. Nice three step journey. Now this also lead to your trailer sitting empty in my driveway, which manifested itself into moving Guzziguy out of philly- pics above.

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this post is jogging my memory somethin awful, might bore you guys so more later
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Post by dadude »

anyone ever dropped a machine? never for me, would not want to go there
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Post by klavelle72 »

I never dropped one, but I can relay a story from one who did. This comes from Patrick Haire of Humboldt, KS who runs a lineshaft driven cabinet shop. He buys from a lumber company just down the road from his place, and so he had his Hall & Brown jointer dropped off there. They unloaded it with a forklift and took it to his shop, but as the were approaching his building, the driver went down a small grade too fast and when he hit the brakes the jointer slid off the forks and shattered on the shop floor. Nothing was salvageable, not even the cutterhead. Patrick said it was quite some time before they billed him for lumber again.

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Post by crzypete »

OK, I'll confess :oops: I done did dropped one.

It was my Oliver 192 18" bandsaw. I was moving in to the shop through a doorway with a slight step up. I had it on a pallet jack, level to the step, and was widgying it in. It slipped off one fork and started to go over. way too much weight for me to handle, but I helped it down without a giant crash.

after a minute to catch my breath, I surveyed the situation, and found the damage. A handle was laying on the pavement.

I surveyed the machine and started giving it the one over, everything looked fine. Still looking further and closer I couldn't figure out where this stupid thing went. I finally realized I was holding my doorknob in my hand, the bandsaw had knocked it off on the way down, guess I was pretty shaken.

All in all no damage to me or the machine, so a good story in the end.

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Post by nektai »

I have knocked over a pedestal grinder and had a very awkward moment with a Powermatic 66 sliding down a poorly rigged ramp. Both the Machine and I ended up on the ground when a second before we were both half way down the ramp. Moments like these have "encouraged" me to improve my strapping methods over the years.

I have been affected by other people dropping machines, here are two quick stories;

I bought my Bridgeport mill on Ebay from a seller who was about 45 minuets away. I spoke with him on the phone but he was unwilling to let me come and pick up the machine with my pick up truck. He had sold a mill a month before and it ended up destroyed in the middle of the road, tossed out of the back of a pick-up. He had a friend who was a rigger and he insisted that he would get a good price for me. I insisted that he split it with me because the whole thing seemed a bit unfair; he agreed. This inspired me to take Crzypete's advice and set my truck up with his E Track system.

I encountered almost the exact same situation a few years later when I bought my Tannewitz band saw. It was an Ebay purchase from a seller within driving distance. It turned out he was the owner of a rigging company and he wanted to deliver the machine. This time the fee would have been unacceptable and I insisted that I would come and get it. He said that someone had just tossed a machine from the back of a pick-up and he wanted to reserve the right to not let me go if he did not approve of the way the machine was strapped down. I agreed and off i went. I had worked out an elaborate plan with Pete about how to strap down the Tanny and I had all of the straps and blocks that I needed to really hold it well. When i backed in to have them load the machine four riggers jumped up and had the tanny strapped in before I had gotten out of the truck. I walked back climbed in and inspected their work. After a few moments the boss came out and wanted a report on how well the machine was strapped in. I then had four riggers make the case for me- they were blown away by the hold down system-Thanks Pete.

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Post by mystry_tour »

Ok guys now you got me thinking about haveing to move my shop to its new place......I have only moved one piec of very heavy arn and it rode wellI will be moving it into the new shop soon and its going through a door smaller that it is high.....going to be a spincter tightning experance to say the least
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Post by dadude »

found pic of press and posted it and no i am not looking for a drywall contractor! :wink:
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Post by crzypete »

Mystry, we had a similar situation moving Guzziguys Tannewitz 36" Bandsaw. I don't have pics, but can walk you through it with some text.

Firstly we were in a good situation in that we had an overhead lifting point outside the shop, and three experienced guys. Step 1 was to removed the upper wheel and assembly, thinking back, it may have been off already, but that would have been step one. It was still too tall.

Step 2 was removing the table, again this might have been done already.

Step 3 was removing the motor. Probably not 100% necessary, but that thing has the largest 5hp motor I have ever seen, I mean Seriously jagnormous.

Step 4 was to attach a board to the end of the C casting, I believe we removed the whole thing that held the guide post, which gave us four tapped holes to play with. we added a nice fat piece of wood there, about two feet long.

Step 5: Using the overhead lifting point we dropped the saw down so it was resting on that board and the foot. I believe we dropped it down directly onto a dolly and pallet jack. So we had the saw on edge and easily maneuverable to fit right through that door.

The rest was easy, we just rolled it in, stood it back up and re-assembled.

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While we are on the subject of getting large machines through little doorways, there is the move of my metal lathe. All 2800 lbs of cincinnati iron.

In order to safely get it through the door, which included getting up a 3" steo, and a 90 degree turn in place, I figured the safest way to do the move was by overhead lifting via a a frame type system. So this was built.

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here is the lathe right outside the door (not in picture, but on the right) it is about to get picked and spun.

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Here's a pic with a young handsome devil and the lathe moved into the shed. Note the I beam is notched into the doorway. The lathe just fit through the 36" door, I mean just, we removed one half of the electrical entry box on the motor and it was scraping both sides of the door frame.

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don't see that notch well enough, well while I am inside, very excited to see my lathe in its new home I see nico outside climbing on the A frame. I don't really know what he is doing until I download the pics later that day. Ever the artist, he took this shot.

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Lastly, lathe in place, A frame removed. I don't think it has looked this clean since.

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