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G100 missing a few key parts, bearings, etc.

 
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CThib



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: G100 missing a few key parts, bearings, etc. Reply with quote

I just registered now that I have a glider to talk about and have really enjoyed reading the Hammond posts. I'll take some pictures of my saw soon.

The G100 I just bought (maybe a mistake) is missing all the bearings for the sliding table, the batter gauge (which luckily screws on), the front drawer and it also clearly needs new bearings on the arbor shaft. Any chance these parts are available somewhere?

I have searched but haven't found a manual that details the parts for the sliding table, does anyone have a more complete manual than the standard 4 page version I keep seeing or does such a thing exist?

It also is going to need some serious love and care to get the rust and chipped paint back to new condition which I'd like to do if I can get all the other parts to get it functional. It did come with the light, blade guard, finger, clamp, belt cover, and unwired 3 phase motor but with all the wiring parts. Has anyone documented a complete rebuild on one of these? Might help to see some of the process.
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Craig
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Craig,

Congrats on the saw. Sounds like it needs some love.

The Batter gage was optional on the G-100's. They are actually kinda rare.

The arbor bearings are completely easy if you have done any type of machinery repair or bearing replacement, you'll be fine there. The only thing of note are the little set screws that hold the threaded nuts in, gotta loosen those first. I should probably do a hammond bearing replacement thread.

That brings us to the table bearings. This is a bit more of an issue. The bearings are easy, but they are captured in a retainer that is of pressed sheet metal that it going to be some work to replicate. without the retainer, the bearings will simply fall out through the front or back as you roll the table back and forth.

You could probably fabricate a simpler design retainer- kind of a combination of the G100 and the G4. The G100 is advanced and holds the bearings in place when you remove the unit. The G4 is more primitive, it is simple a piece of sheet metal about 1/16" thick that has holes in it to retain the bearings, but does not prevent the from rolling all over the floor when the table is removed.

A constructed unit would need to be based upon the actual unit i order to be able to properly align the bearings. I don't currently have the time to pull one apart and measure it up, but that is where you would need to start. Do you have any metal working skills?


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CThib



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete,
Thanks for the info. Some love is definitely required, maybe more than I anticipated but I haven't done a complete rebuild including refinishing before and this machine is a good size to start with I figured.

Bummer on the batter gauge, I was hoping they'd be easy to find, seems like nice accessory.

I've done a bit of machine repair so bearing replacement should be ok. I did find a thread somewhere that described the dis-assembly of the arbor which noted the set screws you mentioned, thanks.

I saw a picture of the table bearing retainer somewhere but can't seem to find it now. I'll keep looking. Any idea what bearings are needed for the table: size, etc. I'm assuming they are sort of an off the shelf item minus the retainer.

My metal working skills leave something to be desired but I can always get a machinist to make one, I know a good creative guy that is ideal for the job if I can tell him what to make.

Any thoughts on a manual or parts list that covers the sliding table and might have some pictures? Ideally something that shows the whole machine since I'm going to be taking it all apart.
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Craig
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only literature I know of is the pdf's at vintage machinery. BUt I have never really looked for something more detailed. they are not complicated machines and are pretty easy to take apart.

I think the table bearings are pretty standard .500 IIRC.

The arbor bearings are 6205's.

The batter is nice, and they are not impossible to find, just kinda rare. Would be easy enough to rig one up at some point, but you can just as easily doublestick tape a block there.

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CThib



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete, thanks for the bearing info. Makes finding the parts much faster.

I realize I can work around the batter gauge but for some reason I'm hoping to get one for the saw just to have all the 'original' parts. Not really sure why since I don't worry about that with any of my other machines.

Speaking of which have you seen any of the front drawer boxes appear for sale anywhere? Again, not a necessary part but it does make the saw look better without the gaping hole in front.

Anyone have use for a big 3 phase motor? Looks like it hasn't been used in 20 years.
Thanks Again,
Craig
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would certainly cover the hole with a piece of metal. Not sure how common the buckets are- my only extra just went down the road.

You'll need 20 balls to make the table rollers. I checked with mcmaster and they are actually astonishing cheap. Like 50 for $8. SO that is less of a concern than originally thought.

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CThib



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete,
Thanks for checking on the bearings, I found a guy locally that has the same model saw that offered to take out one of his bearing retainers so I could take it to a local bearing shop to check if they have something stock that might work, otherwise it's off the the machinist for a freshly made set.

Just missed the timing on the bucket, let me know if you hear of one later.
Craig
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CThib



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:06 pm    Post subject: Hammond Update Reply with quote

Hi Pete,
Well it's been a year and a half and my Hammond is still sitting in pieces in the corner of the shop. I did end up finding someone that had a spare set of table bearings with the retainer so I'm all set on the table. And I have new bearings for the arbor ready as well. Unfortunately no time seems to be appearing to work on the saw. I'm thinking it might be time to sell this bad boy off and hope I don't lose money on all the pieces I bought. Any idea what a Hammond in pieces is worth? With new bearings (uninstalled) and 2 new Forrest blades.

On a side note I also bought a CG Morrison printers saw around the same time I bought the Hammond. Kind of an interesting saw with the pistol grip depth adjustment and grinding wheel. Luckily this one was functional from the start, but oddly enough I haven't used it since I bought it either.
Craig
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure of the value in pieces, but am pretty sure it is more valuable put together. I'm also pretty sure you can get it back together in a couple of hours at most.

So, I'd recommend reassembling if you are very concerned with getting every cent out of it. It you are in a situation of time being more valuable than money, well close your eyes and take the loss....

I'm curious if you nabbed that set of table bearings on eBay, They were totally cheap and the only set I've ever seen come up.

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CThib



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete,
No I didn't get my bearings from Ebay, I don't recall where I found them but they came from a machine dealer that had just the one set left, I think they were $40.

I'm not necessarily interested in getting every cent back as I'm sure with all the parts I have already spent more than a comparable machine would cost fully functional.

I could likely get it back together without too much effort but then I might be tempted to keep it and I really just want my shop space back.
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Craig
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